What kind of FIRE are you?

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What kind of FIRE are you?

The Financial Independence and Retire Early (FIRE) movement is not very old. But now it is starting to get traction. There is a ton of blogs on the subject and we are starting to see several articles on the media about the FIRE movement. With many different people starting to follow the movement, there are now several sub-movements. You probably have heard of the FIRE way. But have you heard of Lean FIRE or Fat FIRE?

I thought it would be very interesting to see what are all these different FIRE ways. All these acronyms are a bit ambiguous and can make matters a bit complicated. It is not extremely important to know which kind of FIRE you are. But it is an interesting thought :)

Once you finished reading this post, you will know what kind of FIRE you are! Or maybe you will define a new kind of FIRE! And that is perfectly fine. Each way to FIRE has its differences.

Regular FIRE

Regular FIRE (or FIRE simply) is the version I have already talked about on this blog. It is generally considered for people who are going to retire with yearly expenses between 40’000 and 100’000 dollars.

There are different ways to reach FI. But the idea is the same for most of these ways. You need to accumulate enough to cover all your expenses in retirement. For this, each year or each month, you withdraw some money from your invested money. And then, you use that withdrawn money to pay for all your expenses. Generally, people are withdrawing a fixed amount of money each year. The most common rule is to withdraw 4% per year. It may not be the safest withdrawal rate. But it will do for examples in this post. For instance, if you spend 60’000 USD per year, you will need 1.5 million dollars before you can retire.

In order to reach Financial Independence, you will need to accumulate this nest egg while still covering your expenses. To reach FI faster, you either need to be frugal or grow your income. It is still not very easy to accumulate such an amount of money. But it is worth it since there are many reasons to want to become financially independent.

Lean FIRE

Lean FIRE (or leanFIRE) is almost exactly the same as FIRE. But people are spending much less. Generally, people who spend less than 40’000 USD per year in early retirement are considered leanFIRE.

The principles remain the same. You save enough money to cover your expenses in your retirement using a Safe Withdrawal Rate (SWR). The main difference is that you have to save much less than people on Regular FIRE. If you spend 20’000 USD each year, you will need 500’000 savings with a 4% withdrawal rate.

The difference between Lean FIRE and Regular FIRE are in the frugality. People that reach for Lean FIRE have to be much more frugal than those trying to reach the regular FIRE. This is generally achieved by people with medium income. But there are also people with very high income that try to achieve this goal.

Some people want to reach FI as fast as possible. For this, some people are moving to a cheaper state, or even to another country. Some people are also living in their RV instead of having a home. With this, one can reduce expenses very low. Of course, it is not possible to leanFIRE in any country. I do not think this is possible in Switzerland.

It is faster to become lean FIRE than to become FIRE. You need to accumulate much less money. However, for some people, this means sacrificing too many things. That is why more people are pursuing regular FIRE. Personally, I do not think I could live in Switzerland with so little expenses. I like the frugality of it though!

Fat FIRE

If the Lean FIRE movement is the frugal version of regular FIRE, Fat FIRE is the non-frugal version! People that spend more than 100’000 USD per year are considered Fat FIRE.

Once again, there are the same principles as regular FIRE. The differences will be that you will need a much bigger net worth to be able to retire. If you spend 120’000 dollars a year, you will need three million dollars to retire (4% withdrawal rate). That is a lot of money you need to accumulate.

People that try to reach Fat FIRE are not worrying too much on their spending. But they are wondering a lot about growing their income. You really need a large income to accumulate that amount of money. Even though they are spending a lot, some people with very large income are still frugal compared to their peers. In the United States, many physicians are pursuing this way of FIRE.

Barista FIRE

A Barista in a coffee shop
A Barista in a coffee shop

Barista FIRE (or baristaFIRE) is more different from the other kinds of FIRE: It is only a semi-retirement FIRE. The idea is simple. You follow the same principles as regular FIRE. You accumulate your nest egg to cover some of your expenses but not all. And you work some part-time each year in order to cover the missing expenses.

Let’s take an example to be clearer. If you spend 40’000 USD each year, you need one million dollars to retire with a 4% withdrawal rate. However, if you were to earn 10’000 dollars a year in retirement, you would only need 750’000 dollars of net worth. A quite small income can make a huge difference in the amount of money you need in retirement! You can semi-retire years earlier than other people with this technique.

There is actually a second way to be Barista FIRE while entirely retiring. It is to let your spouse work and stay at home. There are a lot of men (and also women) doing that. They are retired but their spouse is still working. In that case, the spouse is bringing some money home. That means once again that the nest egg needs to be much smaller to retire. However, in that case, the only person of the couple is actually retiring.

There is actually a story behind the Barista FIRE name. You probably know about Starbucks, the coffee chain from the United States. They have a ton of employees. And they offer health insurance to their employees, even part-time. If you work at Starbucks in early retirement, not only will you earn some income, you will also reduce your health expenses. Hence the name Barista FIRE! Of course, you do not have to work at Starbucks to achieve Barista FIRE. Any part-time job will do ;) If you can get benefits and income, it is even better.

Fart FIRE

Ok, this one is more of a joke than the others! It is also called Fast FIRE. But since the domain FastFire.com was already taken, Fart, the Swedish word for Fast, has been used instead to form FartFIRE. So there no relation with the smelly gas here! The idea is that it is not so important to know which category of FIRE you are in. What is important is that you need to be able to be FIRE as soon as possible.

You need to focus on going to FI fast. There are many ways to increase your speed on your path to FI. You will find that once you reach FI you will not have to worry about money anymore. And that is more important than worrying about what kind of FIRE you want to reach ;)

The term was coined by Mr. 1500 days to freedom on his blog.

Which kind of FIRE am I?

Personally, I am falling in the Regular FIRE category.

Our current yearly expenses are around 60’000 USD. I am currently spending too much for my liking. I am working on reducing that. But I will not likely be Lean FIRE. Especially, since I want to retire in Switzerland, an expensive country. To reach FI, I am going to be frugal and grow my income as much as possible.

I am also going to work on increasing our income in the coming years. This will help us reach FI faster. Hopefully, we are not going to fall into the trap of lifestyle inflation and end up as Fat FIRE. This is not something we want. But we are planning to have children. This will definitely increase our expenses in the future.

Which kind of FIRE are you?

Now that you know the different kinds of FIRE there are, it is pretty easy to find out which kind of FIRE you are.

  1. You are only going to semi-retire to reach FI faster. Then, you are Barista FIRE.
  2. You are going to spend more than 100K USD per year. Then, you are Fat FIRE.
  3. You are going to spend less than 40K USD per year. Then, you are Lean FIRE.
  4. You are going to spend between 40K and 100K USD. Then, you are FIRE.
  5. You are going to do something totally different. Then, you are your own kind of FIRE!

So, what kind of FIRE are you?

Conclusion

As you can see, there are different kinds of Financial Independence and Retire Early (FIRE) movements. You can be extra frugal and embrace the Lean FIRE way. Or you could still spend a lot of money and reach Financial Independence with the Fat FIRE movement. Or you could semi-retire to make your way to FI much faster. In the end, it is all up to you to decide which way you want to take to reach FI.

If you want to know more about the different kinds of FIRE there are, I invite you to read What is the Difference Between Fire, Lean Fire, and Fat Fire? from Adam on minafi. com. He is the one that first coined these terms together. And he did a lot of research on people in each of these categories. It is a nice read with many numbers for each of the FIRE styles.

So, what kind of FIRE are you? If you are following your own special way, I would love to hear about it!

10 thoughts on “What kind of FIRE are you?”

  1. Fat fired with a zero withdrawal rate is my current reality. My side hustles earn six figures and that’s what we spend so our investments remain untouched. I don’t need to work but I enjoy spending a day or sometimes two a week on consulting and another day or two on unpaid volunteer work. It suits me. Obviously I could double my spending and be fine but honestly I spend all I want now. We travel domestically and overseas and have lots of hobbies, some of which require fairly expensive equipment. We have zero debt and a paid for house and buy all our stuff with cash. It is the best time of my life right now, but it was pretty good getting here too.

    1. Hello Steveark,

      Wow, that’s an awesome state to be in! It is the best to be able to keep the investments untouched and not work! Very well done! It must have been a very interesting journey :)
      May I ask what kind of side hustles are generating so much income? And why are you paying everything with cash? I was thinking that U.S. credit cards offered pretty nice rewards.

      Thanks for stopping by :)

  2. I guess I’m more in the boat of lean fire and fat fire. More of a mix of both. I’d like the security of fat fire but I also think there is something to be said of lean fire and going the entrepreneurial route.

  3. I do not belong in any of this :-). I started reading about FIRE recently and it has helped me improve my savings rate and also optimize my life more. I have not considered retiring early to be honest as I don’t hate my work that much.

    However what I would like to do is to have sufficient amount of money with me so that I can live debt free and not worry what what will happen to family if I fall sick or lose job etc. I would also like the extra flexibility having money can give me by making sure that if I can leave my job any time If I am stuck in a toxic work environment or if I feel I want to work one day less per week going forward.

    1. Hi ArunM,

      Even if you do not retire early, it is good to improve your financial life and even become financially independent.
      It is great to feel that you are not dependent on money. I am not sure I will retire early. I actually like my job a lot. But being FI would be great :)

      Good luck on your journey!

      Thanks for stopping by :)

  4. I’m saving like I’m trying to reach fat FIRE but I’m aiming to live more regular though with just that bit of extra luxury (think, being able to travel whenever, to wherever I want).
    In the end, time will tell though. My FIRE age aim is 35 at the earliest and 40 at the latest.

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